
This is the first of many chats between B-Fast and myself I will be posting. This first one sprang off as I was explaining to B-Fast an idea I had for my next tattoo. I mentioned that it would include a lion tamer in a traditional American pinup style... the following diatribe ensued:
B-Fast: I love the pinup style.
Grey: Yes -
Gil Elvgren is probably my favorite... the SHIT if you will. I will say - the charm in large part resides in the narrative, yknow? So mid-century masogianism [sic] (how the fuck do you spell that?)!
B-Fast: mysoginy? [sic]
Grey: Yeah?
B-Fast: misogyny?
Grey: YEAH!
B-Fast: HA ha ha ha ha
Grey: you look that up, book worm?
B-Fast: all you do is type it in to google, son
Grey: yeah, or Blackle
B-Fast: do you use Blackel? anyway, pinup art is not mysogonistic [sic] - the contrary
Grey: oh is this some stripper-empowerment bullshit? HAHAHAHA I mean - its mysogonisitic [sic] in the sense that the women are always doing some stereotypically cutesy-female bullshit which results in their skirt being caught and hiked up revealing their panties and nether-regions.
B-Fast: true - well, mysogny [sic] is a strong term
Grey: yes, true. Its just all very self-serving is all.
B-Fast: I see that as like spusal [sic] abuse-type stuff
Grey: i guess it does idolize women to an extent - which can be empowering
B-Fast: SPOUSAL
Grey: hahahaha - I guess I just see it as "women aint shit!"
B-Fast: Bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks
Grey: true... true
B-Fast: that's mysognyny [sic]
Grey: lick on deez nuts and suck dey dicks... yes, but hardly ABUSE
B-Fast: Im glad feminism has gone away from the idea that for women to have value, they have to be like men... aint nothing wrong with some sexy
Grey: for the most part
B-Fast: YO - times change...
kids these days... well, maybe I just didnt know the right girls
Grey: I think it all depends on whether the girl was hot (making it sexy) or ugly (making it gross) in which case it aint sexual at all
B-Fast: I think there's a difference between admiring the feminine image and minimalizing [sic] women to nothing but sexual objects
Grey: no there isn't.
B-Fast: HA - ok then
Grey: No - im only half serious - I just think the second you start admiring a woman - biologically speaking - you start to undress, and caress (with your mind, of course). Now, there are women I look at and am in awe of their presence and accomplishments, with ZERO attraction... but I dont ADMIRE those bitches... HAHAHAHAHAHA... just kidding. Sort of.
B-Fast: I think it comes down to: there are hot women, smart women, cool women, and all combinations therein
Grey: and "
butts" ones... who are neither cool nor smart.
B-Fast: True. But there are dudes like that too.
Grey: oh HELL yeah - they're the ones impregnating them and making more dumb-butts-chicks and dudes.
B-Fast: So it's not a male/female thing.
Grey: well, its a female-thing from our end... and vice versa.
B-Fast: You see that lion riding the
horse?